This just in from a very intrepid member of Camp Carbaway:
From Fawnnnn's Journal at the Camp:
"Watchin from the Sidelines
February 18, 2008, 04:24:56 PM »
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Journal Topic: " I did it.... I completely and literally left the other site today "
Before I can read or respond to any earlier posts to my journal today...
I need to let this out please.. so please bear with me.
Dear Diary, today is Monday, Feb 18, 2008 Time 1:50pm
Today I did the HARDEST thing I had to do in a longggggggggggggg time... request a refund for my paid membership at the other site at Kimkins.
Why did I finally leave today?
Because last night as I was going thru the final boxes of decluttering that I started this weekend and threw out literally bags and bags of 30 gallon trash bags of paperwork trash this weekend.... last night I came across a box of papers that I had from kimkins. Mainly my journal... yes I posted a lot there, no doubt but when it came to my diary/journal I needed to have a physical hard copy of my own diary to see my journey, the ups and downs and learn from my mistakes, etc.
The hardest thing was to SEE in print how I .. well lets just tell the truth and say it... I idolized this woman called Kimmer.
why?
Because she was the answer to my prayer. She helped me in ways with her diet plan that NO ONE else could and trust me I have been on a LOT of diet plans thru out my life and it was her diet plan on kimkins.com that taught me about the effects that carbs have on my body. The site itself was very informative to me. I can only speak for myself.
I also have the type of personality to defend those who are like too shy or meek to defend themselves and I remember battling and cursing people out who would talk poorly about her or the diet plan on kimkins. Embarrassingly I admit I did that for a long time with no one telling me to stop, not kimmer or the admins. until months later when singinglass posted for me to cease cursing. Looking back I can see why people didnt take to me too well because it appeared as if I had free reign to say what I wanted and when I wanted to people who opposed the plan or said anything negative about Kimmer. Now I can understand their frustrations, truly I can.
okay sorry back to topic:
As I was going thru hundreds and I mean hundreds of papers and documents last night.... I found myself getting frustrated at the thought of WHY am I keeping these papers.... why? I dont know what to believe or what not to believe... the dream, the hope and idolizing of a woman that I cherished and defended and the plan was all a lie!
Yes she finally admitted it openly in court and made a statement on her websites of an explanation and things moved on and things were forgiven... after all.. none of us are perfect....we had no right (in my opinon) to throw the first stone kinda thing.
BUT last night it just got to me. I couldnt find ONE thing that was true in those documents.... and it tore me apart inside emotionally, feeling hood winked to a point, maybe too trusting as well to a LOT of a degree.
so today, I did what I wanted to do for a while... leave the kimkins website to help me move ON and Forward.
It was HARD, it wasnt easy. It was like cutting the emblical cord of the life source of someone who taught you how to live kind of thing.. emotionally it was HARD to say goodbye, no matter the circumstance. Love and caring has no boundaries or distance. I am genuine in the people I care about and come to love so NO this was not easy by any means.... to break away and cut ties.
But I knew for my own peace of mind and to move forward and not feel ... anyways I did what I had to do today.
at 1:07 pm today, this afternoon I posted the following in my two journals on that site, in the beginning and the end of each journal and I posted on Kimmers journal as well and I private messaged her the following message:
Dearest Kimmer, 02/18/08
It is me, ___ I am respectfully requesting a refund of membership here please.
Please contact me at: ____ @yahoo.com
You will always be dear to my heart, always.
respectfully and with deepest heart felt sincerity.
___
My yahoo email address is: ____ @ yahoo . com
It was my decision NOT to go into detail as to WHY I was leaving and requesting a refund.
why?
2 reasons:
1. There is enough negativity in the world and I didnt want to hurt her by posting anything negative. I just couldnt do that to a woman who taught me so much. I cant hurt her or her business like that, no matter the circumstance... she did help me after all. I just can't hurt people. I am a strong, tough person but I just can't hurt people that I care about, I just can't.
2. I just wanted to leave peacefully, respectfully with no drama and mainly I wanted to be "mature" about my departure. *** for me, it was a part of growing up... a part of growth.... to leave peacefully with no harm.
1:07pm = I posted on my journals and her journal on the kimkins website at 12:07pm the same message as above.
1:15pm = I emailed her a private message on the kimkins website with the same post, along with my name and address.
1:20pm = I emailed Kimmer on yahoo with a request for a refund including my physical address and name with the following:Dearest Kimmer, 02/18/08 You know you will always be dear to my heart and I am finding it difficult to deal with what is true and not true even as I read the documents on hard copy especially last night.
I am requesting a refund check of my membership fee that I paid thru paypal with the Kimkins Website to be mailed to my home address within two weeks from today 02/18/08 please: Here is my name and address below........
1: 27pm = I was going to post to a friend and I typed the note and pressed "send" and a box popped up that read:
_LOGIN_BLOCKED.
I tired several times, still the same message. I even restarted my computer and still the same message.
I realized THEN that my membership on kimkins.com was terminated that quickly*
1:28 pm = I started getting emails on my yahoo email address from people on the kimkins website who apparently saw my posts asking for a refund. In the emails they were asking WHY I left and did I notice that Kimmer took her photo off her homepage on the website and did I know why she took her photo off. ( I dont know why.. thats her decision to do so. )
1:30pm = I got a reply email from Kimmer on my yahoo email which read:
Hi ____ ,
No problem at all and you'll be in our next batch. Promise me you'll stay on program and stay focused! You're a special lady and I'll miss you!
Best regards,
Kimmer
***** Wow, such grace even in departure. No questions, nothing. She understood and would grant my request of a refund.
To me personally, I thought she showed MUCH class in her response to my posts and yahoo email.
soooooooooooooo.... it is done.
I was glad that in the end which is today, we were both respectful and graceful.
I am no longer a kimkins member and quess what?
I am still okay and the world did not end, smiles.
I am glad I am here at campcarbaway... the peaceful refuge and a safe and open place to be, where people are real and they accept one another for who and what they are and there is HONEST journies, experiences, openess, love and support here for one another and I appreciate ALL of you so much I can't even put it into words, thank you, hugs.
end journal.
whew that was a lot of typing lol... I need a break. smiles
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Journal Topic:
" Feb 28, 08, I GOT MY KIMKINS REFUND CK TODAY $59.95 = exactly ten days from my request "
It was TEN days from today exactly, on Feb 18, 2008 on Presidents day that I requested a refund from my Kimkins membership and I came home today and the check was there in FULL for $59.95.
At least she kept her word and gave me my refund as she wrote that she would. I am happy about that.
More happy that she kept her word, inspite of ... whatever. Ya gotta give her credit for that and I do.
No animosity, just a clean, friendly and respectable break.
I will always give the Kimkins plan credit for teaching me a lot about carbs and how it affects my body AND for getting me started on the journey of weight loss successfully and now I am glad I am here, smiles , yeh!"
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AND FOR YOUR VIEWING PLEASURE, SCREEN SHOTS PROVIDED BY MY SOURCE ARE AVAILABLE HERE:
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Well, congrats, Fawn, on getting that refund from Kimmer. Now, here's an idea. Why don't you send it back to Kimmer and join the lawsuit? I'm sure you've got lots to spill :^)
Many thanks again to my source! Great sleuthing!
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Wow. Someone help me lift my jaw off the floor!!
Abandon ship!
My blog: Weighing The Facts
Amazing. If Fawwwwwwwnnnnnnny can see the light, well, bless her heart! I wonder if Kimmer's grandmother is still speaking to her at this point.
Good for you Fawn. And, of course, huuuuggggggiiiieeeeessss!
I'm glad Fawn saw the light. Wonder how long it will be before Heidi starts waving her out there as the new sacrificial lamb. I know that TT has opened up the Camp to any Kimkinite that wants to join - for free. Hope she is able and willing to weed out the sock puppets...
I'm guessing that sock puppet weeding may become a full time job over there. I agree with those that are saying Heidi's behavior is going to escalate as things get hairier with the lawsuit. I don't envy the work the camp probably has ahead of them.
Medusa, I wouldn't ask Fawn to violate her own standards of respect and friendship. To her own self be true. But from a different perspective, she might not be so forgiving when she ends up under the bus wheels. This is what Heidi does to save her own skin, and no matter how much love Fawn had for her, Fawn left first. That will rankle Heidi coming from possibly her most ardent worshipper and defender. Watch out for the bus, Fawn!
good for Fawn walking out of Kimkins.com and on her own terms. Kimmer's hold on folk is weakening.
It's truly the beginning of the end. There was no external reason for this person to leave, she came to it on her own. And for one of Heidi's most ardent supporters to do that ... well, things must be getting pretty bad.
Thank goodness - Fawn has finally taken off her rose-coloured glasses.
Great News!
I never thought I'd see the day when Fawn would walk away from KK and Heidi. She has always been Kimmer's BIGGEST supporter. And I'm happy she did it on her own. She realized the deception was there (because of the ducks) - she was able to look at it for herself and she had to leave. WTG FAWN!! I have a new respect for you. You CAN think for yourself - a month ago, I wasn't so sure about that. You have given me new hope for the remaining members at KK.
I am happy for Fawn. I wish her peace on the remainder of her journey and hope that Heidi leaves her alone.
I am happy Fawn decided to leave. Good for her. Many more are following behind her and AmyB. I also wanted to say to whom ever it was who took the screen shots of her journal over at the camp: Shame on you! The camp was a place we felt we could go and feel semi-safe. A place we felt we could go and say what we thought without being judged, banned or made fun of. You have now ruined that. You violated the TOS of the camp. Thanks. Appreciate it.
Dear anonymous,
Re your following comment:
"I also wanted to say to whom ever it was who took the screen shots of her journal over at the camp: Shame on you! The camp was a place we felt we could go and feel semi-safe. A place we felt we could go and say what we thought without being judged, banned or made fun of. You have now ruined that. You violated the TOS of the camp. Thanks. Appreciate it."
No place is safe on the internet. If you intend to post personal thoughts or comments which you wish others not to see or judge, I would suggest you send e-mails and/or PMs to your friends.
Posting your deepest thoughts in online journals or personal information in threads only opens you up to potential scrutiny.
And trust me on this, my source is not the only person to have taken screen shots at the Camp.
There are hundreds of screen shots floating around that have been taken by many current members at the Camp...just to keep an eye on things and Tippy on her toes.
Medusa, thanks for the advice. I for one, won't be posting at the camp, at KK or at LCF again. I won't be the only one either. Many over at camp are very upset over this.
There is nothing shady going on over at the camp. Fawn leaving KK was not news. All that has come from this is more poking fun at her.
The real news in this story is the fact that she got her refund.
I hope Fawn takes the time to think about this some more, and question why she was locked out so fast from the site. If Kimmer was a real "honorable" business woman, she would have waited for Fawn's check to clear before completely blocking her from the site.
I hope Fawn now can get some real perspective on Heidi
. I think she is on the right track now.
Fawn hasn't seen the light. She's still praising Kimmer. She still thinks the manipulative last praise is "class." No, it's calculation. Kimmer has her "I'm a kind and afflicted person" persona during the lawsuit.
Fawn simply has transferred her "idol" worship to Camp CArbaway. She'll soon be treating Tippy like a goddess, no doubt.
She's one of those people who has to worship somebody. She found a new temple.
No. No, no, no. And no. It's Heidi. She's sending this persona called Fawn out to spread the word -- "ooh I asked for a refund and presto Kimmer that sweet lady GAVE me my refund QUICK! see how easy that is? And you can do it too! Just ask for your refund, yes, and don't bother your pretty little head about that silly ol' lawsuit."
I've had the same thought, YY. It's all just so dang convenient. All of it, from her posts at KK to her exit, to the refund. JMO
The more you post copies and screen shots from Campcarbaway is the more you help drive people back to Kimkins.com. Great job, Medusa. You care much more for the story first than you do about anyone else. Because you are collecting so many screen shots, you must know by now Campcarbaway does not promote Kimkins plans at all and has nothing to do with Heidi Diaz. So why do you blog about Campers? I think it is the thrill of exploiting someone. Anyone. Making fun of others, Medusa, like you have of Fawn does not make you a good person. Perhaps you should get YOUR head out of the sand. Are you this desperate for entertainment? Desperate enough that you don't care who you hurt or the results of your actions? Of course you will have some smug and valid reason for all of this. Be creative as I know you will be. lol
Hi, Tippy! Great hearing from you again :^)
Now let me dissect your comments:
"The more you post copies and screen shots from Campcarbaway is the more you help drive people back to Kimkins.com."
Now, that's a rather curious assumption. An exodus back to a sinking ship? I think not.
And given that I have posted more screen shots from Kimkins than from the Camp, those potential defectors would be far less safe at Kimkins. The Camp is so boring, they're much safer there.
"Great job, Medusa. You care much more for the story first than you do about anyone else."
That's right, Tippy. My concern is keeping an eye on diet "gurus," who were once proponents of starvation diets, who fly the coop and start up their own sites. Granted, gurus often undergo transformation, but my mission is to inform the greater public rather than worry about the hurt feelings of the guru. KWIM?
"Because you are collecting so many screen shots, you must know by now Campcarbaway does not promote Kimkins plans at all and has nothing to do with Heidi Diaz."
Tippy, as you once were one of Kimmer's and the Kimkins diet's greatest supporters, as well as its PR person, of course I am going to keep you on your toes to ensure that you are telling your campers to keep their calories up.
"So why do you blog about Campers?"
To the best of my recollection, I have only blogged about you, Tippy, and agentlefawn/fawn/butterfly....oh, I almost forgot...and about Jimmy Moore, who stayed for about 5 minutes in the Camp before leaving a path of destruction in his wake. That must have been a blow, Tippy.
"I think it is the thrill of exploiting someone. Anyone."
No, Tippy. You're the master of that.
"Making fun of others, Medusa, like you have of Fawn does not make you a good person."
"Making fun" is in the eye of the beholder, Tippy. And Fawn, given her penchant for stretching vowels halfway across the freakin' page, leaves herself wide open for "gentle" ribbing. And the fact she's into the whole submissive/dominatrix lifestyle justs tickles me to no end (no pun intended). Sure explains a lot regarding her relationship with Heidi, the master dominatrix.
"Perhaps you should get YOUR head out of the sand. Are you this desperate for entertainment?"
No, but when entertainment lands in my lap, who am I to ignore it?
"Desperate enough that you don't care who you hurt or the results of your actions?"
Actually, no.
"Of course you will have some smug and valid reason for all of this. Be creative as I know you will be. lol"
Tippy, if you haven't figured out why I do what I do, then I'm not about to enlighten you.
Better tighten up Camp security, Tippy. There are fireflies in the woods, watching.
"I also have the type of personality to defend those who are like too shy or meek to defend themselves and I remember battling and cursing people out who would talk poorly about her or the diet plan on kimkins. Embarrassingly I admit I did that for a long time with no one telling me to stop, not kimmer or the admins. until months later when singinglass posted for me to cease cursing."
This woman just makes me want to spit. Heidi to shy to defend herself??? She of course depended on her lackies to do it for her. Here 'gentle' fawn is admitting to going after people who said things she didn't like. She didn't do it in a mature, let's discuss this like adults, way, no she used profanity and tried to intimidate people WITH NEGATIVITY, to be 'non-negative'...huh? how does that work. She also proves how the banning for TOS was a selective process. At least she got a warning. (albeit, just for the cussing part)
Man, she jumped on my 'negativity' the first time I posted, I was asking how "kimmer" could be giving advice on maintaining when she didn't maintain herself.(which of course had been the major selling point for me joing) It didn't take long for me to get the TOS violation page and I was not attacking anyone. I got no warning.No opportunity to go back and edit anything thing that may have been misunderstood or 'offensive'. I was having a discussion with others who were asking me questions, answering them according to my opinion, without name calling or profanity. There were others obliviously trying to get me in a fight, I just ignored them. I have yet to see anywhere where, TT, Heather, Brian and of course Fawn, and other adamant KK supporters of late, who have now seen the light, apologize to anyone for their treatment of others (paid members)who where just trying to get to the truth on the KK site.
Medusa, thanks for putting this out there.
Also, a comment to anonymous about the taking of posts from 'private' forums. It would not be necessary if members were treated like adults, and allowed to discuss their thoughts in the forum, rather than children who needed constant supervision and told to play nice or you will get banned, censored, deleted. Um define nice? People who have a contrary opinion are 'watched' and labeled troublemakers. I've heard of how it is over at the camp. Talk about walking on eggshells. It's suppose to be a support group?...hey, not everyone thinks the same way (thank goodness), but if you say anything that someone else may perceive as negative, they get the proverbial hand slap. The place might be a bit more inviting if people knew they were really allowed to be themselves.
just more IMO, fwiw -- "Camp" (which sorry but thanks to Herr Heidi and her deathcamp diet and Martin Bormann let's just say "camp" carbaway does not conjure up pleasant images) ... uh anyway "Camp" copy/pastes are in this case unique for the simple fact of the Camp's place in the Kimkins scandal, and all that that entails -- the people, the history, the scamming (no Jeannie we're never going to forget those fundraisers), the webs that insist upon entangling themselves with other webs.
Thank you Medusa for your investigative reporting.
Meh. I'm still calling bulls**t on this one. Come on, people, darling Fawny ISN'T A REAL PERSON. She's a figment of Heidi's imagination. SOCKPUPPET.
But, as I've said before, I could be wrong. By all means, make me eat my words. Post a current picture and give me a phone number to call. I have some questions for our dear ffffaaaaaaaawwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
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