"Quote:
Originally Posted by Awakened [aka Deni, former Kimkins poster-girl]
What you may not realize is that this whole discussion is only making her words seem more true to anyone who isn't "one of you".
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I know you all only want to look at her "angry" words... but I don't think it's fair to only look at someone's anger when they are trying to express themselves in a fair and balanced way. She isn't one sided and mean here.. she is pointing out the negatives AND the positives at LCF...................
I (and BEcky too for that matter) appreciate all the exposing that you have done. I know how hard you all have worked...I've watched it play out right here on this board. But some of you may not realize that sometimes things need to stay BEHIND the scenes in order to actually accomplish things legally. Tipping of the enemy is not always the best game plan.
And when someone points out that you (the Fascination thread heros) aren't above reproach yourselves.. the first reaction is to poke fun at them and laugh at the idea that she might have a tiny bit of truth in her statements."
I even remember one of you complaining of not getting all the $$ you were entitled to for affiliate leads. This was AFTER the fraud. Uhhh...hello? It's money from a fraud, why would you want it? Is that the Christian thing?
But no one brings this stuff up, because everyone here is truly not as mean as they are portrayed. Umm...except me I guess.
And don't count me as one of the "you" here. Because I am not. I am way too blunt and don't do much but lurk here (and sit on my fingers), so my views and especially the way I say them, should in no way reflect anyone here. They are all much nicer than me. "
'Quote: Originally Posted by Tooter
The problem was that we were all called haters by you guys Before your eyes were opened and Becky's post re-enforces that she still feels the same way about "Us/They".'
[ANIPOMONI]:
"Don't forget that people here were attacked at every single, solitary point on this journey. From the very beginning we were haters because we were questioning the pictures. If we (I am including myself here even though I did nothing) just backed away b/c someone said something nasty in her journal.....well, a lot of people would still be following (and working for) kimkins.
[and now I really have to catch up]
ETA: Ok I really should read on before I respond. Just read cleo's post and she totally said what I meant...but much better"
FOR CLARITY'S SAKE, HERE IS AWAKENED'S ORIGINAL POST ON LCF:
"I am probably going to regret this, but I feel that I have to say something on this whole Becky discussion.
What you may not realize is that this whole discussion is only making her words seem more true to anyone who isn't "one of you".
Her words were written ... IN HER JOUNRAL. Isn't she entitled to an opinion? Isn't she entitled to feeling angry at times or hurt or even just plain old grumpy sometimes? In the very first sentence of this "post in question" she said she was upset with LCF people for being "PART" of driving the site out of business. She didn't blame you all for taking it down.. she was mad because you all "directed" Kimmer to it. Obviously none of you knew that Kimmer was going to go and get it shut down.. and obviously none of us knew that KImmer's "reach" wasn't going to last long.
Becky is very mad at KIMMER... and on this particular day you all played a part in giving Kimmer something to get a hold of.
Becky also pointed out that the FAscination thread "has done a lot of good work". She also pointed out that she appreciates the value of the Fascination thread and the good intentions and contributions of many people there.
I know you all only want to look at her "angry" words... but I don't think it's fair to only look at someone's anger when they are trying to express themselves in a fair and balanced way. She isn't one sided and mean here.. she is pointing out the negatives AND the positives at LCF.
She doesn't say she wants the Fascination thread gone. She points out the fact that LCF has the original "HOW TO DO KIMKINS" thread there, and that people are still USING KIMKINS here. I know you all have a problem with that too don't you?
She points out that sometimes you all make remarks about people who are "innocent" in this matter. Can you honestly say that you have never said a rude comment about someone OTHER than Kimmer just to be funny? I think we have all been guilty of doing that at times, and it's wrong to excuse it and think it's okay to hurt someone's feelings "just because".
Becky constantly comes back to the point that KIMMER is the real problem here. Kimmer is who we are after. (we all agree on this right?)
She also has a very valid point in mentioning that SOMETIMES the "WAY" in which this thread goes after or ridicules anyone involved with this whole Kimkins debacle can get out of hand. And whether you would like to believe it or not... more often than not, it's the unneccessary comments that turn MANY people away from listening to your very VALID comments.
I for one can speak for myself in saying that while I was still at Kimkins.. and was totally ignorant about all of the fraud and lies and even unhealthiness... I saw this Fascination thread as a major turn off. I was insulted and disgusted by the tone that this thread often takes. And because I saw "ugliness" I was easily able to right off any "logic" and "truth" that came up inbetween personal stabs.
If it weren't for Becky, I NEVER would have considered that anything written on this site might have some truth to it. And Kimmer knows this. She plays it very well. She feeds the fire and then uses it to her benefit.
I think THIS fact is what Becky was really mad at deep inside. She has watched Heidi USE your tactics for HER benefit over and over again. And it's still happening.I know that you all are caring, strong, and very committed women. I know now that your intentions are the same as mine. (Get Kimkins shut down and Heidi in jail!) But it hurts me to see the way that you all still refuse to admit that you might be stepping on some toes along the way.
I (and BEcky too for that matter) appreciate all the exposing that you have done. I know how hard you all have worked... I've watched it play out right here on this board. But some of you may not realize that sometimes things need to stay BEHIND the scenes in order to actually accomplish things legally. Tipping of the enemy is not always the best game plan.
And when someone points out that you (the Fascination thread heros) aren't above reproach yourselves.. the first reaction is to poke fun at them and laugh at the idea that she might have a tiny bit of truth in her statements.
The saddest part for me, is that I'm actually shaking before hitting the SUBMIT button, because I know that this post might get some of you to say things about me that will hurt my feelings.
I just wish it didn't have to be this way."
AND TOOTER'S POST ON LCF:
"I am Sorry, Awaken, but I don't agree with you.
I don't think Becky is the Enemy and I don't think anyone else here thinks that. I Think she used poor judgement and was hurtful to the very people who saved her butt. I think the other thing that bothers people about this whole thing is that we were to be silent about it. Just like people were with Kimmer. Becky's post came through as "Do As I say and Not as I do".
You don't Vent in a Journal that is public and expect not to offend the people you are talking about. If you truly want something private, you do it in private. Not on a public board. She should have had a private Journal to do her venting.
Then when 2Big4Mysize went to her and tried to reason with her on how it sounded to everyone...She excused and justified her own behavior and people in her own thread were "Yes" people and "Haters" again. Jumped all over 2Big4Mysize. Brings back alot of Kimmer memories for all of us.
As I said before in this thread, Everyone gets burned out, and everyone has said things that they shouldn't at those times. And I do mean "EVERYONE".
The difference is, I see alot of apologies in this thread. I see nothing from Becky.
In the scheme of things, this will be old news by next week. People will still work with her. They just might not have the respect that they once had.That's her choice. If she wants to preach a "Standard" the first thing she must do is live by that Standard.
I think the biggest thing that is upsetting everyone on here and in the Blogs is that She is allowed to say whatever she wants, but we aren't. She's not the hater, WE are.
To people who actually fought for the truth Long before she got involved, that's a huge smack in the face. To say we can't react to that, is another.
Like I said, this will be old news in a few days. The choice is hers in how this all will be remembered."
Anipomoni and Tooter...thank you for stepping into the line of fire and shooting from the hip. Kudos to you both.
LINK TO ANIPOMONI'S POST:
http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/9653617-post2972.html
LINK TO AWAKENED'S POST:
http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/9648994-post2727.html
LINK TO TOOTER'S POST:
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So sad that this big distraction is going on.
Have you see this? It's about the search for the Kimkins faked lawnchair lady photo.
I do believe Becky is on the side of the good guys, but I have to agree with Tooter, private is private. Every time anyone posts anything on the web it's like shouting out to the neighbors in your back yard multiplied by a million. There are places to vent, and places to address your concerns. There are ways to get people to shut up about things they need to be shut up about - and in a nice way and private way.
Let us not dwell on this issue any longer, but learn from it and get on our merry way with the one thing that unites us - the battle against the unhealthy Kimkins Diet.
Thanks for your comments, OYB and avenue girl.
Avenue girl...I agree. All efforts should be directed towards taking Kimkins down.
Becky/Deni/whatever says "sometimes things need to stay BEHIND the scenes in order to actually accomplish things legally."
No duh. There was time when maintaining radio silence would've been more effective. But that time's come & gone. The jig is up, way up.
& yet just because Saint Becky & her buddies say "sometimes things need to stay BEHIND the scenes in order to actually accomplish things legally" we're all supposed to shut up?
Like back in the day, when the "haters" tried to tell the truth? Becky & her buddies were trying to shut everybody up back then, too.
Why again? & why now?
What exactly is it that Becky & buddies are wanting everybody to shut up about now?
What's being discussed or investigated that's got Becky & buddies suddenly stressing?
Maybe we're not the only people who remember Becky's first tentative posts when she was trying to distance herself from the Kimpire. Her main concern was whether or not she was legally liable.
Go back to ALC & LCF & read her posts for yourselves. Is this same fear what's been driving Becky all this time?
& is this same fear what's behind her recent rants?
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